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About grounding and grounding for "dummies"

 

About grounding and grounding forMy bitter experience as an electrician allows me to say: If you have the "grounding" done as it should - that is, the shield has a connection point for the "grounding" conductors, and all the plugs and sockets have "grounding" contacts - I envy you, and there’s nothing for you worry.

Grounding Rules

What is the problem, why can not you connect the ground wire to the heating or water pipes?

Actually, in urban conditions, stray currents and other interfering factors are so great that anything can appear on the heating battery. However, the main problem is that the trip current of the circuit breakers is quite large. Accordingly, one of the options for a possible accident is a breakdown of a phase to a case with a leakage current just somewhere on the boundary of the operation of the machine, that is, in the best case, 16 amperes. Total, we divide 220v by 16A - we get 15 ohms. Just some thirty meters of pipes, and get 15 ohms. And the current flowed somewhere, in the direction of not sawn wood. But that is no longer important. The important thing is that in the neighboring apartment (up to which 3 meters, and not 30, the voltage on the tap is almost the same 220.), but on, say, the sewer pipe - a real zero, or so.


And now the question is - what will happen to the neighbor if he, sitting in the bathroom (connected to the sewer by opening the cork), touches the tap? Guessed?

The prize is prison. According to the article on violation of electrical safety rules that caused the victim.

Do not forget that you can not do an imitation of the "grounding" circuit, connecting the "zero working" and "zero protective" conductors in the Euro socket, as some "craftsmen" sometimes practice. Such a replacement is extremely dangerous. Cases of burning off the “working zero” in the shield are not rare. After that, on the case of your refrigerator, computer, etc. Very firmly placed 220V.

The consequences will be about the same as with the neighbor, with the difference that no one will be responsible for this, except for the one who made such a connection. And as practice shows, the owners themselves do it, because They consider themselves specialists enough not to call electricians.

Grounding and Grounding

altOne of the options for grounding is grounding. But not as in the case described above. The fact is that on the switchboard housing, on your floor there is zero potential, or more precisely, the zero wire passing through this same shield simply has contact with the switchboard housing through bolted connections. Zero conductors from the apartments located on this floor also join the shield body. Let's look at this moment in more detail. What we see, each of these ends is wound under its own bolt (in practice, the truth is often found in pairs by connecting these ends). This is where our newly-made conductor, which will later be called "ground", must be connected.

This situation also has its own nuances. What prevents the "zero" burn at the entrance to the house. Actually, nothing. One can only hope that there are fewer houses in the city than apartments, which means that the percentage of occurrence of such a problem is much less. But this is again the Russian "maybe", which does not solve the problem.



Ground loop

Ground loopThe only right decision in this situation. Take a metal corner 40x40 or 50x50, length 3 meters, drive it into the ground so that it does not stumble, namely, we dig a hole two shovels in the depths and drive our corner there as far as possible, and wire PV-3 from it (flexible stranded), with a cross section of at least 6 mm. sq. up to your switchboard.

Perfectly ground loop It should consist of 3-4 corners, which are welded with a metal strip of the same width. The distance between the corners should be 2 m.

Just do not drill a hole in the ground meter drill and lower the pin there. It is not right. And the efficiency of such grounding is close to zero.

But, as in any method, there are drawbacks. Of course, you are lucky if you live in a private house, or at least on the ground floor. But what about those who live the floor at 7-8? Stock up on a 30-meter wire?

So how do you find a way out of this situation? I'm afraid that even the most experienced electricians will not give you the answer to this question.

What is required for house wiring

For wiring around the house you will need a copper ground wire of the appropriate length and a cross section of at least 1.5 mm. sq. and, of course, a socket with a grounding contact. A box, a plinth, a bracket are a matter of aesthetics. The ideal option is when you make repairs. In this case, I recommend choosing a cable with three cores in double insulation, preferably VVG. One end of the wire is led under the free bolt of the switchboard busbar connected to the switchboard housing, and the other end is connected to the "ground" pin of the outlet. If there is an RCD in the shield, the grounding conductor should not have any contact with the N conductor anywhere on the line (otherwise the RCD will trip).

Do not forget that the "earth" does not have the right to be torn, through any switches.

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    An interesting site. I’m just working as an electrician and more experienced people who I could ask something not (((Therefore, I will look for answers here. I would like to know about the principle of operation of ship electrical equipment, because there’s no zero on ships

     
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    The article is interesting, but written by a pure electrician. There is no final output-output. And it is extremely important to look for the output. Modern technology is performed exclusively with switching power supplies that have a so-called filter (lC) at the input. That is, even during normal operation of the equipment, the case has capacitive coupling with operating voltage. In other words, you buy, say, a microwave, connect without grounding, and have a bare wire in the kitchen with a potential of about 110 volts in standby mode. In operating mode, due to the power supply working at full power spit, up to 300 volts can be directed to the case. This is easy to check with the indicator light. In practice, this is determined if there is a wash nearby, that is, ground. With this, the main condition, if it is not there, you can not be aware of the potential danger .Output-grounding is necessary, and if our power supply standard makes this problematic, all methods must be used (of course, excluding grounding on pipes, here the author is entitled to all 100)
    Vasiliy.

     
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    As a "practical", and not a "clean" electrician, I want to dispel the dark clouds written in an article about a seemingly hopeless situation with grounding. Firstly, the measurement with a voltmeter as part of a voltage tester on the housing of the washing machine in the event of a breakdown due to the filter shows that in one of the plug positions in the socket there will be 90 V on the housing, and about 130 on the inverted one! Therefore, it is possible to reduce the risk of shock with an indirect touch by leaving the plug in the position when the case is 90 V. Secondly, for technical problems still unresolved, it is advisable to put a wooden grate on the floor in front of the washing machine, which will move you away from the wet conductive floor and save you from a blow. Thirdly, when connecting a washing machine (as well as a dishwasher or refrigerator), the main requirement is a three-wire cable. Therefore, even in the absence of common grounding on the landing, the switchboard has a common output of working zero to the switchboard body and you can connect your yellow-green earth wire to it. The current does not flow through it and if the neutral wire is broken, it will reliably protect you from electric shock. Fourth. If this is a common misfortune for your entrance, then you can require the housing office to make such grounding or, on the entrance board, add up and carry out such grounding to a shield on the ground floor with a steel strip 40 mm wide and 2-3 mm thick. The strip is connected to the corner earthing switch and to the shield body by welding. And to the upper floors, grounding will go through the pipes of the riser wiring, which, as a rule, is also made by welding. Good luck

     
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    # 4 wrote: | [quote]

     
     

    And what to do in private homes, for example, I have an SIP input into the house and a meter on the street after it has an automatic machine and that's all ... How to make grounding? Please reply to mail

     
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    # 5 wrote: Sergei | [quote]

     
     

    It is not clear why it is impossible to put the neutral wire directly in the socket at the same time on the working and zero grounding contact, i.e. actually split the zero in the outlet. This is a local change. I’m not going to change something in the floor guard, but I want to make grounding in the outlet in the apartment, for example, for a computer or a washing machine.

     
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    # 6 wrote: andy78 | [quote]

     
     

    Sergei, in this case, the phase potential appears on the grounding contact of the outlet, and therefore on the case of the connected device, if any of the following conditions is met:
    - Rupture (disconnection, burnout, etc.) of the neutral conductor in the area between the outlet and the shield (and also further, up to the grounding point of the PEN conductor),
    - Rearrangement of the phase and zero (phase instead of zero and vice versa) conductors going to this outlet.
    https://env.electricianexp.com/TN-C.JPG

    In more detail why it is impossible to do so look in the comments to this article: RCD in two-wire. Everything is well sorted there. Everything that is written there regarding the separation of the zero wire in the floor plate is also characteristic of separating it in the socket itself.

     
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    # 7 wrote: Oleg | [quote]

     
     

    Friends, is it possible to put the ground wire in some parts of the apartment under the floor? That is, the route of the ground wire is from a point to the shield, but in some places it is under the floor. The wire "2.5" is insulated, in addition, it passes inside the hose. That is, the phase and the working zero in the walls, namely, grounding, had to be allowed under the floor. That is, what could be the danger? It doesn’t seem to close and tension does not pass through it, but still, suddenly there are some dangerous sides.
    thanks

     
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    Hello. Help solve a small problem. There is regular grounding in the home wiring, I did the repair, laid the cable on an additional outlet, after the repair was completed, it turned out that zero was missing, is it possible to connect zero to the ground. When connected to the ground, everything works, it is not dangerous for electrical appliances and residents.

     
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    # 9 wrote: Michael | [quote]

     
     

    Protective grounding or grounding should protect people from electric shock or touching metal or other electrically conductive non-conductive parts that may be energized as a result of breakdown of insulation. Zeroing is the electrical connection of the metal parts of the installation with the grounded point of the power source.

     
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    I have a private house, the wiring was done with two wires for a long time. In the house, a child of 4 years old I want to put an RCD, making land is not a problem, but to breed a problem throughout the house.
    The question is, I make the earth and connect it to zero when I enter it, I put the RCD and I connect the grounding terminal at the outlet to the zero. Can this be done?

     
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    Sergei, grounding and grounding are too serious issues that should be decided and performed exclusively by professionals. I don’t mind when some self-taught fellow, according to competent instructions, replaces a socket, a switch in his house, hangs a chandelier, but it’s better not to go into grounding and grounding issues without an electrical education and experience in this area, otherwise it will only get worse. Contact a specialist as These questions are not for amateurs.

     
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    Monarch,
    In no case should you connect the ground wire to a working zero. This is a gross mistake that can lead to tragedy.

    Sergei,
    this will not help you, because the RCD will not work correctly. It UZO will turn into a simple thermal machine and, with a short circuit, will strike an electric current.

     
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    Good afternoon, tell me please, I live on the third floor, can I make a separate grounding using corners in the ground, will this be legal? Or drill a few rebar into the wall?

     
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    You can do the grounding yourself. And you can’t in the wall.

     
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    # 15 wrote: | [quote]

     
     

    Sergei,
    It is not clear why it is impossible to put the neutral wire directly in the socket at the same time on the working and zero grounding contact
    Case of life.

    I live in a 9-story building 72 years old, there can be no talk of any grounding. So, on the first floor of the staircase entrance there is a cable of three phases and zero, zero connected on each floor to the shield body. They go on all floors with four aluminum wires with a cross-section (judging by their appearance) of 6-8 mm square. Since everything is old and rusty, none of the screws can be unscrewed. On the first floor of the house, people made repairs, changed all the wiring to copper, respectively, in the entrance shield it was necessary to make a connection. And they did. I don’t know which wise guy the copper wire wrapped around the aluminum zero core of the staircase in an impudent one, because of dissimilar metals it was in this place that the zero wire of the whole staircase burned out. Accordingly, all 34 apartments of the entrance were under voltage of 380 volts. Now imagine if in this case the ground terminal is connected to zero! You have a wash on the case. the car will turn out to be 380 volts, well, imagine if you touch the wash and the tap, what happens?

     
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    Good afternoon! Please consult ... in my house there is a grounding that is PEN, I want to make a circuit myself and draw a PE core. Question: if PEN and a separate protective PE will come to me neutral, how will this work? Is it correct?

     
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    # 17 wrote: | [quote]

     
     

    ... "In this situation, too, there are nuances. What prevents" zero "burn at the entrance to the house." ...
    And if you make grounding through a contactor (+ voltage relay). Then, in the absence of voltage or zero burning, the earth will turn off. ???

     
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    # 18 wrote: MaksimovM | [quote]

     
     

    # 16 AlexanderIf individual grounding is mounted correctly, then everything will work. This grounding system is called TT. This grounding system provides for the use of a combined conductor of the PEN electric network exclusively as a working neutral conductor N. The protective conductor PE will be the grounding conductor of the individual ground loop you have installed.
    #17 Alexander, in accordance with the EMP, it is forbidden to install switching devices on the protective conductor PE, as well as the combined protective and neutral conductor PEN. But the PUE allows the simultaneous disconnection of all conductors at the entrance to the apartment or house. That is, it is possible to install a contactor, controlled by a voltage relay, on all conductors of the power supply network at the input - phase, zero and protective conductors. In the event of a zero loss and the appearance of a dangerous potential on the grounding conductor, as well as in the event of sudden surges in voltage, the voltage relay will operate and the wiring will be completely de-energized.Thus, in this case, the wiring and the people who operate it will be protected from the negative consequences of a zero break.

     
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    Good afternoon.
    I'm not an electrician at all. I had to learn the basics .... Electricians brought the current "to the pole" 15 meters from the house, installed a meter on the pole, lifted the wires to the pole "from the meter", made a blank wire SIP 2x16, which now just lies on the ground, waiting to be connected to housework.
    The question is: what to do with grounding? Just make a TT (dig in the pins and forget about the "ground" on the pole)? Or somehow connect to the "earth" (it is thrown to zero in the shield, because the pole is grounded) in the shield, and pull together with the SIP one more wire, which will be "ground", together with the wire "from the ground" under the house?
    How dangerous is it not to pull the wire "from scratch"? And is it possible (to take "zero" and connect to the "ground") to do in front of the machines in the house (there are also ordinary machines there). Or can it lead to trouble "in full"?

     
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    # 20 wrote: Sergei | [quote]

     
     

    Hello, please help, I’ve already broken my whole head, Khrushchev, electricians changed the wiring in the shields, there is an earth terminal, an RCD, there is a gas boiler in the apartment, the water from the boiler is beaten through the stabilizer, the machine has a separate cable for the boiler and socket, it is grounded, it does not hit the stabilizer , the stabilizer changed, what’s the matter.

     
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    # 21 wrote: Evgeny | [quote]

     
     

    Hello, please tell me, in the apartment, the ground wire has already been separately connected to one outlet, I want to embed the box and connect it to the other outlet through the wagon, is a 1.5-core copper stranded wire suitable?

     
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    # 22 wrote: Rishat | [quote]

     
     

    In no case, gentlemen, do not ground for zero, that is, a dangerous stray current can cause a gas explosion because modern gas stoves are grounded to zero; this is not earth zero returns to the transformer and is produced by the transformer; Nikola Tesla invented it a long time ago dangerous guys in no case real earth should have 4 ohms. when measuring or 2 ideally. I myself was convinced from experience when the stray current in the shield began to warm the gas connection pipe well turned off in time about disconnected the ground from the shield otherwise an explosion.

     
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    # 23 wrote: Alexei | [quote]

     
     


    everything is written smartly, there are a lot of tips, but how to safely connect a boiler in the 137 series of a house where there is no grounding and grounding, tell me?

     
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    # 24 wrote: Alexey-B | [quote]

     
     

    Hello.
    I live in a DSK house which is over 25 years old, has a shield in the entrance, there are no automatic machines in the apartment, there is no grounding, (wires are aluminum) the breakers tear to zero, recently the neighbors arranged a short circuit, leaving a third of the apartment without light, called an electrician, a short circuit in an inaccessible place, disconnected the area through boxes, I drove bought a 3-core cable, the electrician extended it from the entrance to the box, restoring electricity, and used the 3rd core for grounding, which is only in one outlet in the bathroom, it mainly has a washing machine, and sometimes a flow heater, a hairdryer.

    It turns out this picture, in the bathroom the breaker breaks zero, the machine is grounded, get me to change the light bulb and rear contact even when the lamp is off, I will get a discharge.

    And sometimes, while washing, touching the wet bathroom with my feet, touching the washing machine, there is a nipping at the place where the feet come in contact with the bath, but the pipes are already plastic, maybe some kind of "tip" on the water

    I have no idea what electrical circuit our house is connected to, but they often scare me with this very grounding, they say, God forbid, somebody will cook there in the entrance using a zero shield, etc. etc.

    I myself am not an electrician, without a clue what scheme the connection is in the house, the Uzo and generally no automatic machines in the apartment, what are the risks?

     
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    # 25 wrote: John | [quote]

     
     

    Hey. Where I live there often break off zero. Please tell me how I can take zero and earth. Monarchif you can help please.

     
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    # 26 wrote: Albert | [quote]

     
     

    Grounding in a private house can be connected to a metal pipe in a water well. In Khrushchev, a fire escape can serve as part of the conductor.

     
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    # 27 wrote: Sergei | [quote]

     
     

    Hey. I make a 3D printer from a structural non-anodized aluminum profile. The question arose in connecting the power source. From the socket to the power supply will go a computer cord with three cores and a switch. Is it possible to connect the grounding or grounding of this cord to the profile of which the 3d printer consists? Does the DC power supply also have an output with grounding? Does it make sense to use it? probably better to protect yourself from 220?

     
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    # 28 wrote: Marina | [quote]

     
     

    This is for dummies! I didn’t understand most of the text!

     
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    # 29 wrote: Michael | [quote]

     
     

    Add about the ground loop. For efficient operation, the circuit should consist of at least three pins connected by a strip between each other, clogged to a depth of at least 2.5 m. For a better current spreading, the distance between the pins should be not less than the depth of clogging of the pins, i.e. 2.5 - 3 m.