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Hidden Wiring Detectors - Woodpecker, MS-158M, MS-48, BOSCH DMF 10 zoom

 


Hidden Wiring DetectorsThe article describes the principle of operation of several different devices for troubleshooting in wiring. This article will be useful both for beginner electricians, and for people who are just interested.

Almost every man at least once in his life, but hammered a nail into the wall. Someone in order to hang a beautiful, expensive painting, which was recently acquired at the exhibition. Someone just nailed a shelf for a flower. And surely every second thought flashed: "But is there any electric wire or fittings?" And it’s good if you have a drawing according to which electric wires were laid. And if there is no such picture? Then everyone acts at their own peril and risk.

But in order not to get into a mess and do business, there are special devices that relatively accurately indicate the presence of electrical wiring or fittings in this place.

Hidden Wiring DetectorsIn this article we will consider the most popular and affordable devices for searching for hidden wiring.

To understand how these same devices work, you need to know a little theory.

So, electric wires under voltage create an electric field around themselves. It is this electric field that these devices capture. Further, a special amplifier amplifies the signal and shows where our conductor is located.

Depending on the type and complexity of the device, a simple LED, dial gauge or digital display can be used as an indicator. Prices for these devices can be from $ 1 to several hundred or more, depending on the functionality and purpose.

There is another type of search appliance. hidden wiring. The principle of operation of these devices is the same as that of a metal detector. There is a coil that creates its own magnetic field. If a foreign metal object enters this field, the field changes. This is a crude theory, but I think you understand the principle of work.

Well, the third type of devices, these are hybrids of two main types. These devices have a built-in generator and amplifier. But these devices are already quite expensive and use them, as a rule, in laboratories. Although there are simple analogues for home use.

flush signaling device E121Consider the most common and affordable devices for finding hidden wiring that are in our markets.

One of the most popular appliances for hidden wiring fault detectionwhich many professional electricians use is "Woodpecker". Officially called "Flush warning device E121". This device is more than one year old. During this time, he established himself as one of the most reliable devices. Using the device is quite simple and easy. With the help of "Woodpecker" you can find wires under a layer of plaster up to 5-7 cm. This is perhaps one of the few affordable and high-quality devices that are manufactured with us. This device also responds well to electromagnetic radiation, which is created by almost all household appliances-TVs, m / in stoves, computers, etc.

Various Chinese-made devices from the MS series (metal sensor) are quite common with us. They gained special popularity due to their low cost.


Instrument for detecting metal parts and hidden wiring MS-158 M. Among professional electricians, it is not particularly popular, as it reacts to everything in a row - to nails, fittings, wires. In order to use it correctly, you need to get used to it. After some time, with the constant operation of this device, it is already possible to distinguish the reinforcement from the nails and wires by the signal strength.

MS-58 M. An earlier model of the MS-158.It differs from the MS-158 only in case design. At 158 ​​it is more modern and practical.

Due to their low price, these devices are purchased mainly by novice electricians and home masters.

hidden wiring indicatorMS-48, MS-18 and other indicators of this class. They are made in the form of ordinary indicators. Use these devices very, very carefully. Even knowing the principle of operation of this device, but not having the appropriate experience in using these indicators, every second has a chance to get acquainted with electricity closer than we would like.

If the wall in which the wire is laid is slightly damp, or the humidity of the room is above normal, the indicator will constantly light up, wherever you bring this “miracle device”. Although, in fairness, I want to note that with appropriate preparation and "dexterity", the device can relatively accurately + -15-20 cm, determine the location of the electric wire. And with a little training, you can even find a place where a wire break occurred.

For a more professional approach to the problem of troubleshooting, there are better instruments. The principle of operation is based on the fact that a generator of a certain frequency is connected to one of the ends. A receiver tuned to the same frequency is carried along the cable. In the place where the tonality has changed, there is a place for cable damage. But these devices are relatively expensive and are used, as a rule, in mobile electric laboratories. A similar, but more compact, device is used by telephone operators to search for cable damage.

BOSCH DMF 10 zoomThere are many more foreign pretty high-quality devices for detecting wiring in the wall. But these devices are quite expensive and not everyone can afford them. And, frankly, their performance wants to leave the best.

An example of such a device is BOSCH DMF 10 zoom. The device is good for everyone. Beautiful, compact, easy to use, but from its Chinese counterparts it differs only in build quality and performance. The principle of operation is approximately the same.

In any case, appropriate skills and knowledge are needed to work with these devices. With appropriate proper handling, any of the above devices, even the simplest and cheapest, will greatly facilitate troubleshooting wiring.

Trust professionals, and you will be happy. Good luck to you!

Sergey Seromashenko

See also at bgv.electricianexp.com:

  • Modern Flush Detectors
  • How to find wiring in the wall
  • An example of using a metal detector to search for hidden wiring
  • Troubleshooting wiring harnesses
  • Indicator screwdrivers and voltage indicators

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    # 1 wrote: Valentine | [quote]

     
     

    The old switch tester has an output of the 465 kHz IF generator, the signal of which is modulated by a 1 kHz tone. This output is connected to a wire in which there is an open. We are looking for a cliff using a pocket receiver. Cliff search accuracy is very high.

     
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    Hello to everyone who reads. But I have such a question where to get money for those devices, and even for one time, because as I know, they don’t cost five thousand

     
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    # 3 wrote: Valery | [quote]

     
     

    Try a simple compass. Where there is electric current, there is also a magnetic field. The compass needle deviates. The search accuracy is two to three centimeters.

     
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    ValeryBut this is if the wire is live. But what is the easiest way to find a wire break under the plaster?

     
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    # 5 wrote: Valery. | [quote]

     
     

    The phase wire seems to be no problem. The compass needle points to the passage of the wire. In the place of the cliff arrow, as expected, will go to the North. If only one neutral wire passes, then give it a phase through the control. I used a compass at home in a panel wall (a channel with a wire from the surface of the wall runs at a depth of about 5-7 centimeters) found all the channels with wires.During the repair, I painted all the walls and took a picture (though I successfully deleted the photo later). But in my head - it remains. I tried it with a children's toy with a compass - it takes without problems under the plaster (the depth of the wire under the plaster was about two centimeters). Good luck

     
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    # 6 wrote: | [quote]

     
     

    I heard you can connect headphones to a trance primary in a trance, a crack will be heard through the headphones. The more turns in the primary, the better.

     
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    # 7 wrote: sergey | [quote]

     
     

    evgen, I had such a device in the form of headphones and a tube with a battery. It bursts wherever possible. It is not possible to determine anything by it, only nerves are spoiled. Of the methods described above for finding wires in the wall, I liked the method with a compass. You need to get a compass somewhere and try. I wonder how all this will work.

     
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    # 8 wrote: | [quote]

     
     

    And no one tried to search using the earpiece?

     
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    # 9 wrote: anton | [quote]

     
     

    Hello everybody. why reinvent the wheel? Everyone knows and used a screwdriver with an indicator. Perfectly defines wiring in a permeable medium - plastic, MDF, plaster, etc. draw and all ......

     
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    # 10 wrote: accordion | [quote]

     
     

    The best indicator of hidden wiring is a drill with a drill for concrete. :-)

     
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    # 11 wrote: | [quote]

     
     

    When searching for a break in a tow of 14 lines, success is with the help of a generator and a radio. A break in the telephone line is the phase of the network THROUGH a 500 V capacitor, then a network ind-r with an amplifier. With an accuracy of 1 cm!

     
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    # 12 wrote: a guest | [quote]

     
     

    I just tried to find, with the help of a compass, the hidden wiring wires right near the outlet where I connected the 1KW heater. there the wires run at a depth of 1-1.5 cm. under the plaster. and what would you think? and no fucking! the question is: here is the fuck people mislead? like, really smart want to seem? or childhood in the ass played a bit - a vile petty, but nice !?

     
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    GUEST Before you resent think what is written. It is said that the current must flow and the more the better. Give a load and look for wiring with a compass.

     
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    yaktash,
    And you would blow the ball ... "wires of hidden wiring right near the outlet where the water heater is connected to 1 kW. there the wires run at a depth of 1-1.5 cm. under the plaster ... "

     
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    # 15 wrote: | [quote]

     
     

    The search for hidden wiring things creative and not always the use of special devices contributes to the rapid receipt of the result. What is needed first of all is experience, and of course, brains sharpened for solving non-standard tasks, especially when there is a huge amount of old housing stock in our country. Often the process of finding hidden wiring is similar to fortune telling on coffee grounds. It’s true for professionals to always guess better and faster. Another fact - indicators and devices for searching for hidden wiring must also be used. Any even the smartest device in the hands of a savage and ignorant is a useless toy.

     
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    Check alternating current with a compass? Wonders. Yes, the arrow will be stupid, it does not have time to catch the frequency of 50 Hz.
    The seeker simply solder himself on the field, cheaply and angrily.

     
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    If you turn on the load through the diode, then the compass will work !?

     
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    # 18 wrote: Stas | [quote]

     
     

    Greetings!
    Upon detection of hidden wires, a terrible legend revolves in my head about how the service for checking the consumption of electricity came to visit us. And I am not without sin, I think I am not alone. I have a private house. You yourself know what prices are now ... Well, I brought the phase from the cable, which is to the meter access. That is, bypassing the counter. And zero decided to "borrow" from the ground. And what do you think? Nosy services found a freebie ((I got off with a fine of 500 rubles ... And this is even in the best case, - I did not buzz on them, and they made a discount.And they told the service about a wonderful indicator that detects hidden wires in the wall. But they did not have such a device with them. I thought that it was a fairy tale for intimidation. And from the information on this site, I understand that it really is. Now I think. Free up trickier or pay tribute to the state honestly? :)) The state then "processes" well ordinary citizens, this also must not be forgotten. But what am I worse than them?)) I'm a little bit. And they???!!! )