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Do you need a power grid project when repairing an apartment?

 

Many, making repairs, do not even think about the need to order project of the electrical network of his apartment. And in vain. If there is a power grid project made by a qualified designer, the likelihood of making mistakes in the construction of the network is significantly reduced.

A qualified electrician can often make a good electrical network for a small apartment by selecting the required cables for the permissible current, but in the future the lack of a project often leads to big trouble. Problems appear when a fault occurs in the wiring. Finding a malfunction in a furniture-laden apartment in the absence of a project can be so difficult that you first have to move all the furniture in search of the missing contact, and then hammer the walls in a well-repaired room.

If a large-area apartment with long electric lines or a country cottage is being repaired, then it is generally unacceptable to start electrical work without an electric network project. Designer perform all necessary calculations for voltage losses and short circuit currents in the lines.

Without these calculations, the electrical network can be a great danger in an emergency - if a short circuit occurs circuit breaker disconnect the emergency section of the network with a long delay, which will cause overheating of the cable and in particular contact connections. Unfortunately, ignition of electrical panels due to incorrect calculation of the network is not so rare.

Once, while preparing to repair a rather large catering point, the customer’s representative stated that I had two main requirements: “Access to all terminal boxes and not a single outlet with a cable should be provided!” He, a power engineer with thirty years of experience, knows too well what he needs. Having extensive experience in operating various buildings, he knows all the weak points of electrical wiring.

Indeed, with large loads on the power outlet network, it is advisable to branch to each outlet in boxes. But can those who have nothing to do with electricity in their work boast such knowledge of the requirements for the electrical network? This is where the advice of a competent designer who knows exactly what you need is needed.

The designer will ask many questions and raise topics that you might not have thought about - air conditioning, kitchen appliances, an extractor fan in the kitchen and bathroom, a lamp on the balcony, where to control the lighting, where to put mortgage pipes for subsequent tightening of television and computer cables.



And now we will consider the most difficult problem - what awaits us when a part of the electrical wiring fails using the example of the electric network of a small-sized city apartment. So you bought an apartment in which the previous residents had an electric network, and what seems to you?

Figure 1 shows the sockets of the bedroom (room 2) and the hall (room 3). The bedroom has four outlets - numbered from first to fourth. There are six outlets in the room - numbered from fifth to tenth.

Layout plan for sockets in the bedroom and hall

Fig. 1. Layout plan for sockets in the bedroom and hall

While the wiring is in order, it would never occur to anyone to think about where the electric cables are laid and how the sockets are connected to each other. As usual, half of the outlets will be hidden behind the furniture.And after two years, you will forget that behind that heavy and filled to the eyeballs cabinet the socket hid from your gaze - and it is in it that the contact will oxidize, which will lead to de-energization of one or several used outlets.

Depending on the preferences of the electricians who installed the electrical network, the sockets shown in Figure 1 can be connected in various ways. And the cables can be in the walls and in the screed. Consider three possible options for building this network (in fact, there can be dozens of different options).

In the first version (Figure 2), the sockets of each wall within the room are connected by a separate cable from the terminal boxes. Moreover, the cable to the outlets standing on the main walls passes along the wall in PVC pipe. Wiring in pipes allows you to quickly replace a failed cable, which often happens when drilling walls. The partition between the rooms is thin and does not allow the cable to be laid in the pipe along the wall, so it is held in a screed. If you pierce a thin wall on both sides to lay cables in pipes, then its strength can cause great damage.

Outlet Plan - Option 1

Fig. 2. Outlet network plan - option 1.

In the second version of the wiring (Figure 3), all the outlets of each room are connected by a loop. The cable runs around the perimeter of the room. Similarly, on the main wall in the pipes and along the partition in the screed.

In the third version (Figure 4), all the interior wall outlets are combined into a cable, with the cable laid along the wall without a pipe. And the sockets on the capital walls of both rooms are combined into one group.

Outlet Plan - Option 2

Fig. 3. Outlet network plan - option 2.

Outlet Plan - Option 3

Fig. 4. Outlet network plan - option 3.

Suppose that we have lost voltage at outlet 7. In the first version of the outlet network, the contact in outlet 6 is most likely oxidized, or the wire breaks. In the second version, socket 10 will be most likely to blame. And in this case, the voltage on sockets 5 and 6 will disappear. In the third version of the network, a wire break should be sought in socket 4. Looking at the diagrams, everything seems to be simple. But in reality - if you were to get to the required outlet, do you need to move the furniture? Moreover, when it is not known where to look.

The design of the electrical network should indicate - in what places and at what altitudes it is required to lay the cables. In the cable tie, the cables are laid parallel to the walls at a given distance from the wall. In the process, all the bindings (distance from the floor and walls) are specified. According to the updated data, the executive circuit of the electric network is performed. Knowing where the cables go, you can always plan the drilling of walls, for example, for shelves, so as not to damage the cables. And in the event of a failure of a part of the network, its repair is greatly simplified.

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    # 1 wrote: | [quote]

     
     

    I don’t know how the project is in the global sense of the word, but the wiring diagram with the drawn routes of the wiring, with the locations of the junction boxes and sockets must be done! I, after five years ago made repairs in an apartment with a complete replacement of the wiring, scolded myself several times for not having drawn such a scheme at that time. Once, I even got a round sum because of this - I had to break the tiles on the wall and redo them. Now I’m thinking of finding a specialist who can make a small projection with the information I need using the already laid wiring. So the project needs to be done, although not necessarily a big real project, you can just a wiring diagram.

     
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    # 2 wrote: | [quote]

     
     

    Of course, it’s much easier for an electrician to find and fix a malfunction, which takes much less time, which means that it will take much less effort to fix the problem. And, accordingly, funds.

     
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    # 3 wrote: | [quote]

     
     

    Boris Kirman,

    Yes, you are right, of course. The project is needed. At least the executive scheme should always be asked what would you do. I hope that after reading this article, many people will think about the project before starting to replace the wiring.

     
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    # 4 wrote: Boris | [quote]

     
     

    I’m talking somehow with one of my friends about motors. He says - this motor has 2800 rpm, this is just what you need. I told him - and what kind of power ?. He - what does it have to do with power, if the motor is 220 volts and 2800 rpm. He was a tractor driver and I told him to put a motor from a motorcycle on his tractor, so there generally you can gain crazy speed, not like in a tractor. The answer is yes, he will not pull. I told him - but there are more turns! This is understandable to him, but in electricity he is already wandering. Probably for such a project with chewing is needed. What kind of difficulty to calculate and make wiring in the house, I do not understand. When it is done correctly, taking into account the consumed capacities, it is also desirable with a margin for unforeseen loads, what could be the issues. Having a schematic drawing of the actual wiring on the walls is of course desirable. And then in case of unforeseen circumstances, the equipment of any additional energy consumption points.

     
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    # 5 wrote: Tatyana | [quote]

     
     

    It is interesting, of course, but the examples you gave are not quite on the topic. You ask a question about ordering a project for repairs in an apartment, and give examples of catering facilities. If the inhabitants of the apartment do not have an idea about electricity, and there are most of them, then the specialist will do the repair (I hope), and the specialist should know the rules of the Electrical Installation Code and PTEEP, which stipulate ways to lay lighting lines and power lines. Of course, ordering a project is very good and will not bring harm, but all this costs money and not small ones. If the scheme changes during overhaul, then the project is needed, and if the old wiring is simply changed, then the project is not needed. I personally think that this is not necessary in my apartment.

     
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    # 6 wrote: Valery | [quote]

     
     

    Hello! A project for the repair of an apartment, house, etc. is unambiguously needed. The customer often forgets about the number of sockets, switches, lamps. The location also often changes during the work, which leads to additional and often unjustified expenses. Often they simply do not know about the existence of new electronic devices that significantly improve the quality of life, the comfort of living and everyday life. Upon agreement, all these points with the customer are taken into account. Further, the actual design. And there is already a solution to the issues of choosing wires, cable products, switching and protective equipment, laying of cable routes and other installation issues. Subsequently, it is also necessary to show places where you do not need to drill walls to hang sconces, paintings and other similar wall-mounted items. There have been cases when the walls were drilled almost through, modern equipment allows you to hold on tight. In some cases, when performing small amounts of work, it is possible to draw up a plan diagram indicating the location of the tracks and installed equipment. I think at the present time it should be a collective work, at the initial stage with the customer, then the offers of the contractor will be useful.

     
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    # 7 wrote: | [quote]

     
     

    If the electrician’s hands do not grow out of the ass. You will only have to move the furniture if you have a rearrangement or you screwed it up yourself (drilled a wire or connected welding in an apartment, etc.).

     
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    # 8 wrote: Vitaliy | [quote]

     
     

    The topic is relevant for both small-sized apartments and huge cottages.Unfortunately, many neglect the order from specialists of power supply projects. This is often due to a lack of money from the customer, and sometimes greed of the customer ... We must proceed from the most important requirements - this is reliability and convenient operation. In any case, the owner must have marked on paper the places of supply of trunk wires from the beginning to the end points, i.e. even a primitive drawing. Otherwise, if the wire is damaged, this threatens a large pogrom of the walls when removing the cliff. Replacing a new wiring in a house is often delayed to the last, when all wiring is no longer suitable, unable to bear the increasing loads, often malfunctioning outlets and switches. You just need to remember that it is very dangerous in terms of fire and electrical safety.

     
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    # 9 wrote: | [quote]

     
     

    Good afternoon!
    The discussed topic of laying an electric cable to sockets and lighting devices in apartments and residential buildings is very significant and timely, since the standards for these works have not yet been developed even for designers,
    As for laying the power cable to each outlet through the junction box, this is a problem for installers,
    1. If the ceiling is suspended, then the Customer does not like it when the boxes are visible.
    2. In this option, the cable consumption increases.
    3. If you mount the boxes under a suspended ceiling, then you need to make hatches for each box, which is also not normal and not acceptable.
    Therefore, the most normal option is to mount in-depth boxes under sockets and switches and make connection threxes in them.
    4. All descents should be made only from the ceiling directly to sockets and switches, which will allow the owners to know where the cable is laid and not to drive in nails,
    Of course, with a new construction and reconstruction, repair, an energy project is needed that would reflect the real picture of cable laying and protection against overvoltage and short circuit currents - this, I believe, is necessary, that unfortunately not everyone understands this.
    As for laying electric cables in the floor under the screed, this is not acceptable, because if the cable is damaged under the floor, you will need to open the floor.
    Unfortunately, in many cases, the installers perform the installation of electrical equipment and laying communications, not coordinating their work with the designers or the project was not made by a qualified designer, and then the installers deviate from the design decision and do it like professional installers, which often leads to emergency consequences.
    Best regards, Dmitry
    2013,11,16 

     
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    # 10 wrote: | [quote]

     
     

    If funds allow. Nothing will stop the performer from “hammering” into this project. If you are poured from above - then you need a new project. If the wire "disappears" - an autopsy is indispensable. In general, if the network is made qualitatively by an experienced electrician, it will not be difficult to find damage, although this is a controversial statement. My opinion is that the project and its implementation, followed by a guarantee obligation, should be done by one organization. Otherwise, the project proposal is interesting only to the customer himself if he simultaneously acts as an executor. Otherwise, who knows?

     
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    # 11 wrote: | [quote]

     
     

    There is only one answer to this question - do not give up the project.

     
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    # 12 wrote: | [quote]

     
     

    The project will not hurt, but often will not help.
    I myself was a plant designer. I suspect that apartment and private house projects do the same. Those. the customer tells the designer where and what he is going to install, and the designer draws something like: somewhere along this wall you need to somehow run a cable, somewhere on this wall you need to put a socket, somehow assemble a shield on the PUE, put some machines in agreement with the power grid. The mental abilities and desires of customers are often very limited, regardless of the amount of money, customers completely trust the designer.
    Then an electrician comes in, he has his own interests, for him a project is not a guide to actions, but only directions. An electrician will do as he needs.
    As a result, such a project is worthless.
    Of course, electricians are different. Most, of course, need to quickly do something somehow, take the money and the abyss without a trace. But there are those who care about what will happen after him. For example, I have a particularly sincere manner of dealing with customers, I get into his position as much as possible when the project changes every day - everything changes: the number of consumers, their place, their capacity, their type, and the general power supply scheme. I show with numbers the wrong and dangerous decisions of power networks, and PUE, and designers.
    A few examples. At the entrance to a private house of a non-poor customer with a weak network, the networks installed a 3-phase IEK C63 input machine, IEK type AC 30mA differential machine on a 2-story mansion. It turned out that the input circuit breaker does not turn off (and why is it 3-phase?), The difavtomat for the poor turns off when it rains, the TN-C-S system lowers the current of the neutral wire of the network to ground under the host roses, the roses dry.
    According to the PUE, it is not necessary to protect the differential protection network of lighting and electric stoves - the developers of the PUE are clearly crazy or scoundrels, but the designers fulfill their recommendations on the PUE. The voltage relay, stabilizer and generator are not designed.
    An electrician can also add his own problems - he will make the wiring with PV, PVA wires or ШВВП cords, grounding will separate the sockets with a cable, attach the sockets to the feet, and put IP20 in the bathroom.
    In general, the customer had only to hang himself with such an electrical household.
    What do I offer to poor customers? Explore all the problems as deep as possible. Take pictures of all hidden work. Pay an electrician for the most detailed scheme of his work (circuit diagram, diagram of boxes, the development of all the walls of all rooms with the arrangement of boxes and lines). Of course, a rare electrician can and will want it.

     
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    # 13 wrote: | [quote]

     
     

    The project is definitely! For an apartment - at least simple, by hand, with a photo - is better. At the stages of replacement, improvements. In the new apartment - standard wiring - something is being remade for itself. PUE and PTEEP - to know! Those. do not trust hired professionals - supervise! Out of the discussion, it’s just the law: “Access to all terminal boxes and not a single cable outlet must be provided!”

     
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    # 14 wrote: Alexander | [quote]

     
     

    Of course, a project is always needed, it’s easier for everyone ...

     
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    # 15 wrote: Vladimir | [quote]

     
     

    If there is money, we order the project, accordingly we accept the work in stages, there must be an act of acceptance of hidden work. All materials must comply with the specification. Lead the wire strictly vertically, if possible, in the center of the outlet (outlet block) in this case, any client clearly remembers where it is impossible to drill. For complex repairs, it is better to install on the floor (power), less gating, and for loop wiring - if we discard the theory, then using normal mechanisms there will be no problems with oxidized contacts. Of course, the wire should be with a margin of power. A normal electrician is not too lazy to make markings on the floor and walls, after which you can transfer it to paper or make a photo report. Only the project needs to be ordered in a proven office, so that it would not be a shame for the money thrown away. For 20 years of work on complexes there were no problems, pah, pah, pah.

     
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    # 16 wrote: Evgeny Kirichenko. Khabarov | [quote]

     
     

    It’s correct that you recall the importance of creating at least basic documentation for wiring in an apartment. When I do the wiring installation, I necessarily do the wiring diagram with the designation of the section and color of the wires. To indicate the color of the wire, I use the color code of the strips on the resistors (0-black; 1-brown; 2 - red; 3-orange; 4-yellow; 5-green (45-ground); 6-blue, 7-violet; 8 gray; 9 white.To this code, I added the element - bar - a small dash in the top in front of the number, it means that the prefix "light -..." should be added to the color name. For example: a line before 1 is beige, a line before 6 is blue, before 5 is green, etc. Point = 1 sq mm. colon = 2.5 sq mm, underlined number = 4 sq mm. On the edge of the sheet with the scheme, I make a table of correspondence of colors and numbers. To make it clear to any electrician (in the absence of me). Of course not a fact, but perhaps such an encoding is useful to other installers. I have been successfully using it for a year now.

     
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    # 17 wrote: | [quote]

     
     

    Projects, of course, are needed!
    But the trouble is that 80% of designers are assholes; there are as many assholes among performers.

     
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    # 18 wrote: Zaitsev, yes | [quote]

     
     

    Evgeny Kirichenko. Khabarov,
    what is too complicated for you.

     
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    # 19 wrote: | [quote]

     
     

    When installing new wiring in a small room, building, I personally do not see the need, because I had 1000 times experience with designers who had no idea of ​​the nuances (beams, columns, floors, ceilings, etc.), made mistakes in choosing av.switches (for example, they chose VA47-100, and the cable AVBBSHVu 4x50 !!!!! !!), so after a couple of “burns” with the designers, I decided that the EXECUTIVE DOCUMENTATION is the ideal option !!!!!!!! which displays the plans of cable lines, group lines, the placement of devices, a single-line diagram. As one of my state customers said: - "The project is not a dogma, change it, but point it out!" The project, of course, is needed, but a lot depends on who calculated it. Once I myself was the head of the PSO and designed, I can safely say that if the designer was not at the site, then what is he designing ?? !! And there are a lot of such people, they are sitting in front of the computer in the office and are guided only by pieces of paper, bring to the object - they will get lost. I didn’t let mine and didn’t sit myself, but always left more than once.

     
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    # 20 wrote: | [quote]

     
     

    2 ... PROJECT? all for 10 kopecks and in one day with one machine and with the ground at zero) the third option: - "we would have a budget option, without dust and half a liter with your material", the fourth option: - "do it to me without excesses, but what everything worked "....... the project is different, it’s good when the designer saw the object and cuts into the subject, and if he makes the project according to another project, and even for how many hundreds of kilometers + "only after the Institute" (Projects Electrification trade pavilion 9na 12 meters of three rooms included a capacious phrase - "90kg hardware") LONG LIVE THE PROJECT !! p.s ........ there are many engineers and electricians, but THESE ARE LITTLE! .........

     
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    # 21 wrote: | [quote]

     
     

    Before starting electrical work on the apartment wiring, it is advisable to draw up a project (or later - during the electrical work to draw up executive documentation). This will greatly facilitate the future possible replacement of wiring.

     
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    # 22 wrote: Valery | [quote]

     
     

    I agree that we need a power grid project for the following reasons.

    - You know in advance what, where and how to install.

    - You know what wires and how much to buy.

    - You do not invite the hack worker to draw up documentation for the electrical industry. and a responsible employee of the electric network, who will make you a scheme and an application, and return and receive the network, only pay money.

    This is what I did when replacing a single-mode counter with a dual-mode counter. I would not need specialist mediation. If not for bureaucratic obstacles, in fact I bought documents.

     
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    # 23 wrote: Vlad | [quote]

     
     

    The project is a must!
    The examples show only the outlet network.
    There is no network of lighting, electric stoves, air conditioners and other powerful enough equipment that is now used in apartments.
    Well, the bulk of electricians do not know the PUE and the elementary rules for laying networks in residential premises, for example, lighting can be hung on an outlet network, and the rules for connecting air conditioners and devices in bathrooms have a very vague idea.
    When I was engaged in design, I carried out author control and when designing, I took into account the capabilities and wishes of the customer.

     
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    # 24 wrote: Alexander | [quote]

     
     

    I completely agree with you about the need to design a power grid. On the example of my experience (more than five real estate objects from bare walls and a foundation pit), I can add that the conversation with an electrician and a power grid designer sets the wall owner to a deep analysis of the current moment and that he would like to see his life in square meters during his life lose your habits and prospects. Usually more than one meeting and discussion of the everyday life of the owner of the walls takes place here, because the electrician can prompt and put into the project those decisions that the owner does not directly say, but through his life story he will bring an electrician to it. For example, now I don’t have enough DC output to the territory from the house to decorate the Christmas trees with garlands of fir in the yard :) because the power supply design of my private house took place in the summer and we didn’t even think about it. The only mistake or, say, a flaw in the design, may be the designer’s excessive commitment to security measures. I will explain: when designing the electrical network of my four-room apartment, the electrician laid the output from the shield to almost every unit of the electrical network. The ceiling of the apartment before plasterboard flashing resembled a cable supply into the underground bunker of a command post during the war. It was used more than 5 (five) kilometers of cables with the corresponding mileage of corrugations :))) the shield contained more than 25 machines !!! and resembled a large and bulky box on an elegant design. After that, I already followed a simple path: conversation-project-conversation, and so on for more than 10 iterations.

     
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    # 25 wrote: Konstantin | [quote]

     
     

    The design of electrical parts is usually carried out by qualified specialists - designers on the terms of reference - TK. TK is made by the owner of the apartment in the form of a plan - a scheme on which he indicates the arrangement of his furniture, household appliances, indicating its consumed electric power and voltage, plumbing equipment and other well-thought-out wishes.

    The designer is obliged using the information on the specific apartment:

    1. Under the estimated electrical load of the apartment, it is qualified to choose a rational electric energy saver, the necessary input power shield for the power supply. cross-sections of wires and cables (laid mainly secretly laid around the apartment) to all electrical consumers: electric stove, electric heating appliances and electric skirting boards, dishwasher in the kitchen, washing machine in the bathroom, water heaters in the toilet and bathroom.

    2. Choose an electric two tariff meter (preferably with a night tariff) for monitoring and accounting for energy consumed by residents at different times of the day.

    3. It will apply modern European sockets with grounding contact, “smart” switches (with presence sensors in rooms), modern design solutions for lighting, in which the incident rays of light from the selected fixtures provide the customer with a visual perception of the apartment’s environment, for example: - gentle and soft light rays from the lamps, creating a cozy atmosphere in the apartment; - the creation of saturated light, which will make it possible to make out small objects and details; - the use of combined lighting, providing color and brightness control when emitting light using modern electronic regulators, controllers and dimmers for LED lamps;

    4. Provides the necessary protective unit - a potential equalization circuit when using specific sanitary equipment in the toilet, bathroom and kitchen, which provides electrical safety for residents in the apartment.

    All electrical work on the electrical parts of the apartment can be done only after the approval of the completed electrical parts of the apartment project in the local energy and fire authorities. Such approval in these bodies can be obtained by apartment owners and specialists of the design organization as the authors of this project.